How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

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How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby wide_load » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:50 am

With tuition on the rise and a huge bill comming in to finish off school I have made the logical decision to plan on boosting the VR this summer.

This thread will be a place mainly for me to dump ideas and hopefully come to a "smart" decision on how to approach the situation at hand. Any input / experience / comment are more than welcome.

The plan so far:

Already complete:
- Tranny refreshed and high on lsd.
- Stage 1 mounts all around.
- Reliability testing by beating snot out of car/engine.

To be completed:
Step 1: Compression test to ensure the old beater still has a chance.
Step 2: New Coilpack (at the least) or a MSD setup. Looks simple enough but anyone have experience with changing a VR over to MSD'z yo?
Step 3: Aluminum crackpipe, new thermostat, and general housings etc.
Step 4: General tuneup (plugs, wires, etc.)

And then comes the fun / real items:

Although I have given lots of thought to this, I always come back to trying to make this a reliable fun car for at least the season, until I have money / time to do things bigger and better.

Step 5: Stage 1 Kinetic kit. Stage 2 Software. - Main decision here was reliability.
Step 6: ARP appropriate hardware.
Step 7: Intercooler and custom pipeing. - I hear the kinetic kit is overpriced and would like to go big while keeping things tidy/hidden up front.
Step 8: Custom 3" exhaust, High flow cat, start with straight pipe and add mufflers/resonators to taste.
Step 9: Body modifications to suit new goodies.

The unknowns as of yet.
- Headspacer? - Want to avoid tearing into the engine until I have the fundage and time to do a full build / restore.
- Injectors / Fueling - Fueling should not be an issue with the low boost and I'll have to look that the cost of having the injectors refurbed or just buying new / larger ones.
- A/C delete? I would like to avoid this as I like being complicated when it comes to things that are easier to just do and I rather like not sweating buckets on the 14+ hour rides to shows.
- Kinetic Kit Pan - I thought I read somewhere that low is not an option with this pan due to where the ran the lines. Further investigation required.
- Clutch - I put in a lightened flywheel and OEM clutch 2 years ago, but basically only one season on them. I figure I'll run it till the clutch goes and worry about it after as it's an easy weekend job to replace if need be.

That is all for now. I think.

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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby Maraschino Larry » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:18 pm

:D

re: MSD

I helped DW do it on his mkIV and it was shockingly simple. Mind you access to a full machine shop and maadd skillz y0 helps too. I'm going to be dropping him off my coil pack so he can make up a few more brackets (!) so that should help you out there. Wiring was so simple that I did it.
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby wide_load » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:46 pm

Good to hear. From what I have read it should be an easy process. Maybe I'll grab the parts off my car and get this out of the way before the car hits the road again.
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby tripwalking » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:52 pm

I need bracketz to make bracketz!

I can order the coilz for you to save some dough.
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby wide_load » Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:47 pm

Oz really? Keep me in the loop as per costs. :beer:

And tentative plan will be to tear into the car, let say, March 4/5 so let me know what you need me to grab off it if still nessesary.
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby tripwalking » Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:26 pm

Will do.

For upgraded VR6 plug wires, get VW sport wires or something like that. It's a set from the dealer and they're way cheaper than aftermarket. I *might* be able to find the part number if you need it.
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby Dreamstate » Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:57 pm

I used mkIV vr6 plug wires.. handy pulls on them.. no need for the metal puller tool.
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby Dreamstate » Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:10 pm

Run in 8-10psi mode for a while, if you feel you want 12-18psi, then lower the compression.
Dropping compression really robs low end power. You will notice that.. torque is nice to have. The corrado (when working) felt like my jetta until 2500rpm.

I have a 3" high flow cat in nearly new condition.
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby wide_load » Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:19 pm

Ahh yes. Thanks for reminding me of the mk4 wires. I would have been pissed if I forgot and ordered another set of mk3 ones. And good to know you have a 3" cat to part with!

The plan would be to start at 6, maybe even bolt it on without the intercooler and get it running first. Then once the intercooler is on and everything seems sorted to bump it up to 10-12. This season will be more about having fun then serious fun. I will fool around with compression when the engine is getting torn apart and rebuilt in the not to distant future / if something serious goes this season.

I am hopeing to achieve this (and not nessesarily in this order)
- Fun
- Reliability / Dailability
- Fun
- Minimum downtime for install
- Do things right this time so they will not have to redone for bigger future plans.
- Fun
- Ruin a set or two (ok, three sets) of tires.
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby wide_load » Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:21 pm

Randy, Stock cams in the rado?
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby Dreamstate » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:41 pm

Custom cams in the corrado. From my readings in the forced induction world, aftermarket cams do very little.. and can even hurt performance unless they are specific to forced induction, because of valve overlap letting boost through.
My cams were created to increase the exhaust valve duration. It would be the last thing I'd spend money on honestly. It's made for efficiencies, once the other stuff has been done.
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby wide_load » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:50 pm

Truf. From what I understand it is the exact opposite approach to cams whether going N/A or forced. I think I am just looking for an excuse for Autotech to send me parts instead of a cheque if/when they re-imburse me for the diff. I guess in that sense the exchange rate right now will work to my favour as when I paid for stuff it was at par. :)
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby diagnosis » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:57 pm

I like where this is heading. :)
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby Dreamstate » Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:36 am

I'm excited.

The corrado should be running this year as well.
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby wide_load » Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:14 am

Step 2: How to loose your car for 7 days :lol:
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby Dreamstate » Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:02 am

Dreamstate's Quicktip #23: They can't impound what they can't catch.
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby wide_load » Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:32 pm

:D
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby tripwalking » Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:36 pm

re: vr6 coilpack: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3057180

don't bother reading all of it... just do msd with no resistor or whatever.

funny story: a week after I sold the jetta, the guy emailed and asked the part number for the coil... he said one pooched on him. 100% he was fooling with them.
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby wide_load » Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:57 pm

I've read mixed reviews with the resistor. My plan was to throw one in just in case but we'll see.

Edit: Looks like that thread was updated and not everyone is going w/o a resister. Good enough for me. :)
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby Dreamstate » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:15 am

I was just doing a little research for myself and stumbled upon this.. thought you might like it for inspiration:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4151110
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Postby Dreamstate » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:11 am

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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby wide_load » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:26 pm

exactly what I planned :)
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Re: How to blow up a motor. Step 1:

Postby wide_load » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:31 pm

Dreamstate wrote:I have a 3" high flow cat in nearly new condition.


Still have it? :ph34r:
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Postby Dreamstate » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:16 am

Sold it a few months ago :(
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